non-zero origin and polar co-ordinates

2 07 2015

A rather untidy foray. There are some useful bits in here… but not well presented. Uncut precious stones, maybe just common garden stones, you decide. Bears little relation to what I am spending nearly all my time these days, working on the Ecosquared app. Only direct correspondence is with money as a vector in time, and between people, and the value attribution towards people, things and projections. I’ve developed equations that captured a phase change in social space making a decision, but that was with MTTP and I haven’t had a chance to approach that for nearly two years. There’s plenty of stuff to explore, but I’d like to have the money to do so — and that will be after the £60k beta version. For now, a rough and ready rambling expedition.

I returned to this graphic I produced a while back. A way to represent the self where the three physical dimensions are conflated into Actual (I should just call it Space), and all psychological and social aspects conflated into the vertical Virtual dimension.

3D TAV longitudinal

Sadly the original and the numbers which this graphic is based is lost. Roughly, the outer boundary is at 10^0, and each word on the axes increases by an order of three.

I did a quite review of articles written here, after I conducted yet another review of my own mind regarding the application of number to human existence. Namely, the application of positive and negative numbers, the root of negative one as simultaneously +1 and -1 (ie presence and non-presence); hoping that a nice pattern of mapping appears from the same pieces, namely how to attribute number to our experience.

This recent venture derives an obvious correlation of sense and projection as positive a negative. Again I am not sure which way it is best to attribute the numbers, but it seems natural to think of sense as positive and projection as negative. Fits into early intuitions that thoughts, the substance of the mind is effectively negative. It does not exists. And as usual, I was wondering if there was a sweet spot of configuration regarding words which signify things (light) and words that have no actual correlation to things in actuality (dark). All this is pretty straight forwards.

The only subtlety revealed is that +6 is not referring to an actual thing, but to the sense of the thing. It is a vector, if one accepts that negative is a direction. Of course, when there are two centres of the universe in the same room, then the application of positive and negative are relatively interchangeable. Positive now, intuitively, is the projective sense from self, and negative as coming towards self. But there are plenty of different levels of human existence by which we can colour this simplistic physical model. Point is, there are issues regarding a straighforward positive and negative with several interacting selves.

some numbers

In my recent mental review, I attempted once again to apply some numbers to power of 1, which is how I wish to capture human density, 1^n. And the notion of scale, which simplistically is 1^10^µ. Scale is a general sense I have attempted to correlate across various dimensions of our human existence. In my mental review, I came up with µ=3 for tribe, µ=8 for globe, µ=13 for solar system, µ=16 for galaxy, and µ=-3 for conscious, µ=-8 for mental, µ=-13 for bodily processes. And 1^-10^3 as volition like a dog, 1^-10^8 as perception such as an organ like an eye, or a flower, and 1^-10^13 as sense, cell-like.

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Its a frightful mess, I can’t tell what is best or appropriate because there is no use to it. But use is a very scientifically laiden concept; buddhists sense of use is very different I suspect. Remember the tool itself, the mind, is the thing we are attempting to examine, in a methodologically different way than treating it as an object. So, I could say 1^n is social density, 1^-n mental architecture or complexes, and 1^n^-1 as introspection. But who knows? I don’t have clarity of mind currently to settle on one.

stay simple — stick those numbers on a graph

So, if this post is not about exploring some brilliant new observation on how to apply math to psycho-social dynamics, what is it for?

Well, if you apply those numbers in the spreadsheet to the 3d visualisation, it makes some sense. Especially if you use the second column of numbers. That is, 1 is the ‘outer boundary’ of ego, say, of the self. It goes into fractional parts internally, physically, mentally and in terms of time. It goes into greater orders of expansiveness outwards, again physically into the world and mentally into society and over wider periods of time. At the centre is zero.

However, what happens if you use the first column?


Yes, it is very messy, but I hope you get the idea. If we use the power µ=0 as the boundary of the sphere, or circle in this diagram, we get the centre as being -infinity. Which is somewhat reminiscent of Riemann Sphere. But of course, you can’t use the map above in a cartesian way, since (-1,-1) could be any number of 4 points. So, you have to use a polar co-ordinate system.

I’ve never used polar co-ordinates. I mean I did a tiny bit at school, but I never really saw the point to them, and thus I never managed to explore how it connects up a lot of maths, to do with multiplication by i and rotational geometry. But here it is, one provides a scalar and an angle. The scalar normally centres the zero at the origin, and negative scalar presumably transforms the angle by adding 180 degrees.

I tried to search for a better image, but don’t know how to phrase it. No luck on Google. Point is, the origin is not zero but negative infinity.

This may mean absolutely nothing. And I mean that literally, if one can mean that…

Zero as digit, an unusual digit because in terms of place value it does not hold its own like other digits; zero as a representative of a number like other digits, but again there is no corresponding thing out there which is counted. That is, 0 as absolute absence, void, not even that which can be named or signified.

Or, from another angle, the interpretation of negative as not, eg -6 as the specific absence of exactly 6, eg the absence of this apple, the one you can not see, that is only an image in your mind. We’ve covered this before. So, the collective sum of all not things, all negative numbers, not 6, not 5, not 5.5, not any number, not anything. And whatever is left is that which can not be named, or if it is minimally, we say zero, and the act of naming it vanquishes it.

observations regarding social dynamics

This is not philosophy. We are not playing with words. This is maths, and psychology, and using a buddhist methodology. Well, I’d like to, but lack the mindstate to do so. Point is, this way of representing the self, the one above, combined with scale as a power, derives an origin that is negative infinity. The absence of all thought. That’s wonderful.

And finally, I suspect there are physicists playing around with the maths of blackholes. I wouldn’t be surprised if the event horizon can be represented by zero.

And when we consider two people, and the simpler mental dynamics that allow a more… conducive exploration of mental objects. And three people and unstable complexity, and with seven or more a calmer social dynamic. Why? Because it is to do with the number of dimensions between individuals, and the preponderance of listeners. That is, with two, one can switch from relative mind conditions easily enough, or at least I can, from my own to theirs. I can do so when two people are dialoguing too — in fact we are all pretty good at that. I just don’t have much capacity when there are three or more, or even two, when they are not sharing attention well. But, once you get a group of people, because of the preponderance of listening, the sharing of attention means a calmer dynamic. Think lecture, perhaps, it returns more to following a specific singularities continuity of thought. That is, there are no changes of relative position — the origin remains the same — and all relative movements can be mapped relative to that origin, and one’s one, as if it were a conversation, though a little one-sided perhaps in terms of who is vocalising.

So, this polar co-ordinate business may be a useful way to explore psycho-social dynamics in terms of sharing attention. Ie, what we are thinking about, talking about, feeling.

Oh, and here’s another. Linking it to the fraca between me and Gunther a long while back, where we revealed the deep seated application of 1 or 0 to self. In the above model, self is 1^0, and you can choose which to identify with. The self-attribution of the centre as 0 (which was my original clumsy mapping) may need to be upgraded. Gunther’s self ascription of 1 for himself and everyone else as 0 — you had to earn his trust. Equality was not a given at the start. That’s the thing about the map of 1 for self, even if one ascribes the centre as zero. With this revision, 1^0 has both. The self-attribution remains, whether 1 or 0, and it still remains indicative of a state of mind, or… setting of mind, that provides some potentially rich path of exploration for psy-math and its therapeutic value.

not good

31 05 2013

There’s good, there’s bad, and there’s not good.

When someone does something good, we may appreciate this. We can map it with the positive number +6 say.

When someone does something bad, intentionally, we may ascribe a negative value, -6 say.

There is, however, a grey space, when it is ‘not good’. We might represent this with ~6.

What does this mean? To do something which is ~6 intentionally. That is, they are doing something in ‘negative space’, in absence. It is not that they are doing anything to you directly, but there is a detrimental concurrent effect. Eg, giving a biscuit to one daughter and not the other. The kid who gets the biscuit is happy, the other is not. It is not that the parent did anything wrong, it is that they simply did not do something with the second daughter — did not give them a biscuit, in this case. Not bad, but certainly, undeniably, not good.

what’s the problem?

The chances are, most actions going on in the world, at the inter-personal level, are not meant badly. People do not set out with negative intent. Very often, they set out with positive intent. They start out with a +6 intention.

Same could be said for scientific solutions, and indeed most of social evolution. Most people mean well, and seldom is there negative intent.

What is characteristic in our social dynamics is that this ~6 is interpreted as -6. The ‘not good’ is interpreted as ‘bad’. This induces what I have called over the years, ‘oppositional state’. When two people seem to be on opposite sides of an argument, or a conflict, when there was no original intention of negativity on either side. And, sadly, it is oppositional state that grounds most of our institutions, from politics and law, to science and religion. And it is also at the basis of most of our internal mental problems.

So, this ~6 is interpreted as -6, and then this escalates until we have a breakup of our relationship, brothers estranged, fueds between families, and even international wars.

War, or inability to communicate, is not the problem. Obviously -100000 is not a good situation, but these explosions result from sparks. The problem is the mis-interpreting of ~6 as -6.

what’s the solution?

The obvious solution is multiply by -1.

This is a mental trick described in XQ elsewhere. Basically, it means reframe. A broken leg may enable a period of peace where you can get all that reading you’ve been postponing over the year. Raining? Good for the plants.

In terms of inter-personal dynamics, it is a matter of translating a negative intention towards one, into a positive one. The multiplication by -1 can occur when one is in rather aggravating circumstances, such as in math classes while doing supply.

The best place, however, is to convert the negative that arises in the mind. So, it is the interpretation of negativity that is multiplied by -1. So, when I got a feeling that my friend was doing well and there was the hint of jealousy, by thinking of the positive version of this, I managed to ascribe a positive result to this feeling.

So, when one perceives an apparent -6, simply multiply it by -1, think the opposite of it, and you are good to go. What was +6, initially interpreted as ~6 and then -6, gets converted back into +6.

Basically, it works.

the problem with the solution

Multiplying by -1 works with simple negatives. It doesn’t really work on ~6 directly. So, when faced with something that is ‘not good’ but we haven’t taken this to be ‘bad’, what is the appropriate conceptual/emotional response?

If we borrow from math again, we might consider multiply by i, the square root of -1. Something I have been hovering around for a few years now. But what does this mean?

So, when we have some situation where we don’t understand someone else’s behaviour, and it may appear to be ‘not good’, what is our response?

My basic response is to ask, in order for the other person to confirm that it is indeed +6. If I establish that actually there is an aspect of their behaviour which is detrimental, ie -6, to others in the classroom or myself, then we have an opportunity to think of something else that does not have these negative concurrencies. Ie something other than +6, perhaps +9 or +4.

If they insist on going ahead, then they are willfully perpetrating -6, knowingly.

Another response is humour, I guess, to play with the ~6. Or ignore it, and see what the result of the +6 activity is.

the subtle problem with the solution

This is the real problem, when someone insists on perpetrating what they think is +6, when they know there is danger of taking a -6 interpretation, ie it is ~6.

Now, the emotional response is to something that did not happen. It is not rightly -6, because there is no negative intention behind it.

When someone perpetrates -6, and they know it, then you have to suffer it. Someone means harm. They don’t care, they are going to continue. In a good world, it may be a surgeon making the required cut, or a parent who is aggressively pulling the child away from an on-coming car. The results will have to prove whether the action in the end is good or not, even if they are not perceived. In the first case, the abscess has been removed, health is restored; in the second, the car is gone and the child does resents the aggressive pull.

When someone insists on perpetrating ~6, knowing there is a good and a bad side to it, things get more complicated. The child observes the parent who is giving the biscuit to their sister. They balance on the knife-edge. They do not fall for -6, and they know it is not +6 at least with respect to themselves. Here is the opportunity for the mind to jump to an other level. And we have the response of suppression, ie resentment, or celebration, ie trust.

That’s all I’ve got at the moment. Still not clear. But definitely in the ballpark.

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